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09/17/19 04:08 PM #446    

 

Betty Weiks (Rickard)

I know I'm late to the conversation, but I'm thinking it might be a good idea if this conversation were continued in a different format.  Not that your conversation isn't intresting, just that maybe you could exchange email addresses and continue off the Message Forum page.  I'm getting messages here every week and I'm always afraid another of our classmates has died. Hope I'm not offending anyone, but it seems that your conversation is between just a few.  If I'm out to lunch feel free to let me know. 

Betty (Weiks) Rickard


09/17/19 04:25 PM #447    

 

Linda Pompeo (Worden)

Our class lost friends in Vietnam and those returning from the war have images that won't erase.  I am saddened by those lost and disrupted lives.It is impossible to fully comprehend the significance of what was experienced by those who were there.  My heartfelt prayers go out to all of you.

 


09/17/19 04:59 PM #448    

 

Gregg Wilson

Betty,

You are correct. I can be reached at wilbot@superjer.com

 


09/18/19 09:34 AM #449    

Tom Chavez

Betty, if the purpose of this forum is to announce news of classmates’ deaths, I will respect that. 

 

Linda, thank you for your prayers and empathy. We all suffer and enjoy according to our actions in this world. Prayer has healthful impact emotionally and physically as has been shown in empirical studies. More importantly, it has spiritual impact. 

 

Gregg, I admire your detachment and sense of humor and logic, although I don’t agree with your frame of reference or belief system of “axioms”. I have very much enjoyed our exchange.


09/18/19 10:05 AM #450    

 

Marty Ellison

So now we’ve tackled the weightier issues, who can tell me the name of the photographer who took our yearbook photos?

MRT


09/18/19 11:26 AM #451    

 

Linda Pompeo (Worden)

I have enjoyed the back and forth and differences of opiinion.  Thanks guys for making me look at different ideas.

I would hope, however, that the forum does not remain just for information concerning another lost clasmate.  I would assume that information normally comes up on the classmate profile.

We have all crested that 'hill' (73) and are now on the downside.  I hope that we will all make the most of the years we have left, find peace and contentment each and every day, and that we keep in touch either through the message forum ( in whatever manner is decided), class reunions, or   private messages.

Blessings to each of you.


09/18/19 12:14 PM #452    

David Glass

 My delete button is getting a lot of use lately


09/18/19 12:19 PM #453    

 

Virginia Wolfe (Scheffer)

I also appreciate this very enlightening conversation.  As one previous posting said, I did not know I was surrounded by such brilliance while in high school.  Even though, I did not quite understand most of the conversation, my interest has been peaked.  One thing I do understand and appreciate is those that have served.  Can't thank you enough.  Without your service we would not be able to have these conversations. So at our young, tender age, that is a good thing indeed!  Bless you all, and this blessed country we live in!


09/18/19 04:26 PM #454    

 

Betty Weiks (Rickard)

No, Tom, I didn't mean that the only purpose of the Forum was for death announcements! Yikes, I hope not, but for a while it was.  So every time I saw a post in my inbox it gave me pause.  It just seemed a weighty conversation that could be more focused to those bouncing their ideas around.  Linda, and Virginia, I'm glad you are enjoying the different perspectives being shared.  That's always good, and I'm all for it! ust maybe an exchange of emails.  You gentlemen are engaged in a conversation that I feel is way over my pay grade! Brilliance for sure!

In fact I'm wondering if any of our classmates have become interested in longevity and living a healthier lifestyle.  I'm a retired National Board Certified Teacher and now have become very interested in healthy living, as I am aging. About four years ago I became a Certified Healt Coach and have tried to change my lifestyle to reflect my new passion for getting the most out of the years God grants me.  I was overweight and realized I could either have habits of health or habits of disease.  Since then I have really worked at it even to participating with my husband in Sprint Triathlons!  Not trying to say "WOW! LOOK AT ME! Just wondering if there are others in our class who have tried to do the same.


09/18/19 08:03 PM #455    

Tom Chavez

Betty,

 

Regarding healthy lifestyle, I’m a strong proponent of avoiding refined foods like white refined sugar and white refined flour, and I’m skeptical of corn syrup and refined oils. 

 

I studied the Krebs cycle at the UW, which is how all aerobic organisms obtain energy from carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. The Krebs cycle is a complicated metabolic pathway involving many co-factors, vitamins, etc., to catalyze the production of ATP which is the fuel our cells use.

 

In refined foods these co-factors, enzymes, vitamins, etc., are stripped away, so the body has to exhaust its internal reservoirs to try to metabolize such foods. People who eat so-called “junk” food tend to obesity because their bodies are always hungry for the ingredients that are missing. 

 

I prefer natural foods to “improved” and “fortified” foods because natural whole foods already have a perfect balance of ingredients required for life. I don’t take vitamins or supplements. Mother Nature knows best.

 

A little prayer of thanksgiving before eating sanctifies the food, and helps develop the healthy emotion of gratitude. 

 

I read that researchers were originally focusing on the adverse health effects of refined sugar, but the sugar industry exerted political and financial power to turn the research toward the adverse effect of fats. I find natural fats to be very healthy, in moderation, especially dairy products. 

 

I’m addicted to sweets, so I eat dates, figs, coconut sugar, brown rice syrup, etc., in place of white sugar. In China and India, where I live most of the time, it is easy to get natural unrefined sugar. But the sugar industry in America got some laws passed which makes it difficult to obtain unrefined sugar.

 

I still jog a couple miles several days a week, along with yoga asanas. I seldom get even a  slight cold. I credit a natural diet and regular exercise.


09/19/19 12:42 AM #456    

 

Linda Pompeo (Worden)

Hello Betty.

Hopefully we all are on the more 'healthy diet'.  I sure can't eat what I used to and still get into my clothes.  Yes....healthy food is the goal.  Sounds like you have made a career out of researching the most beneficial ways to stay on top of eating and exercising.  If you have any great tips for us all, post some on line.

Glad to hear that you are feeling good and staying busy. The old age aches and pains sure catch up when you aren't looking.  


09/19/19 01:01 AM #457    

 

Marty Ellison

Come on - nobody remembers the guy who took our yearbook photos?  He had a shop on 152nd next to the hobby shop.

MRT

 

 

 


09/19/19 01:45 AM #458    

 

Al Peffley

Hi Betty,

I am an angina and plaque rupture/LAD (main artery to your heart) collapse [heart] attack survivor. I have never been exceptionally body mass/weight heavy, but I obviously have a history of artery plaque buildup problems and hypertension (high blood pressure) which is part of my genetic makeup.

Tom is right about refined sugar and many processed foods being harmful to a person's health. I will add to that advice that high fructose corn syrup is also bad for your health. As I said in an earlier post, carbohydrates in excess harm the body in many ways. If you are a diabetic you are very well versed on the perils of carbohydrates in ones diet.

As Tom also said our bodies are also not getting the natural minerals and oils needed to produce the enzymes and necessary fluids to properly digest our foods for energy and vital body chemistry functions.

One book Bonnie & I found useful to loose weight, lower our bad chlorestral, and reduce my blood pressure was written by two medical doctor specialists several decades ago. Both of us are allergic to statin drugs. and I pass out using ACE inhibitor blood pressure medicine.

The medical help book is called Protein Power by Michael R. Eades, M.D., and Mary Dan Eades, M.D. (a husband and wife medical team). The book was first printed in 1996 and the ISBN is 0-553-10183-8. My wife and I both had success with the common sense, health monitoring practices and diets described in the book. After starting the diet adjustment process you begin to read labels on food packaging. You will seek foods that are more natural and have low carbohydrate content (not calories content counting.)

By lowering your total food intake in a balanced and disciplined mannor, doing low joint impact exercises weekly, practicing meditation & prayer daily (I use the Jesus Prayer & the Lord's Prayer, some like Tom use Yoga & Prayer or other similar mental/spiritual "exercise" means), and getting enough deep sleep at night you are perfecting the essentials to achieve better body & soul health, for sure. Gregg shared some living activities that reduce stress and provide a feeling of personal achievement and inner peace.

Even if you decide not to try the diet regimen process decribed in the Protein Power book, you might learn something useful from the book. :o)

There are a lot of physical and mental factors that need to be considered when developing healthy living habits. Most of the time it's the simple adaption of changes and discipline to complete those life style changes that yield positive results in my life.

Another change I made was to reduce my skin exposure to industrial and household cleaning chemicals by always wearing high quality latex or nitrile gloves (high quality gloves bought at janitorial supply stores.) I no longer buy thin, inferior skin protection gloves at retail chain stores. Many people I know use 3-M style breathing protection respirators and saftey glasses, but then fail to buy good protective gloves and inexpensive Tyvek painter suits (sold at Home Depot or Lowes) to reduce the absorption of harmful and potentially lethal powders and liquid compounds into their body's porous skin membrane tissue. Tissue cancer and persistent nervous system malfunctions often are the body malfunction outcomes of poor or absent personal protection equipment and lax safety practices. Most people's skin gets thinner as they age.

“While we may not be able to control all that happens to us, we can control what happens inside us.”

― Benjamin Franklin

 

I hope this information I am sharing here helps you in your quest for better health and happiness in life.


09/19/19 08:01 AM #459    

 

Virginia Wolfe (Scheffer)

Several years ago we switched to a gluten-free diet along with fresh fruits and veggies.  Walk and bike everyday.  Probably the best health we have ever experienced.  Of course living on the beach in sunny Florida helps a bit too.  Cheers to a healthy lifestyle!


09/19/19 08:33 AM #460    

Tom Chavez

Virginia, if you have a younger brother named Dave, he and my brother Dave are good buddies if not best friends.

 

Al, nice amplification.

 

Linda, yoga asanas are great for old age aches and pains. Take the postures slow and easy, gradually stretch into them. Be conscious of your breath, don’t push so far that you can’t breath comfortably. I usually hold the pose for a certain number of breaths. Many asanas are aimed at the endocrine glands, to keep them in shape. I particularly like the “plow”, neckstand and headstand. I feel it gets blood into the brain and helps me keep mental gyroscopic-like orientation in any position.


09/19/19 10:42 AM #461    

 

Carol Tucker (Schnorr)

Marty, I believe his name was Parker at least that was the studio name.

 


09/21/19 08:51 AM #462    

Tom Chavez

The third stage of the hatha yoga system is asanas or postures. At our age you might want a teacher to guide you. I taught myself from a book called “Light on Yoga” by Iyengar. 

 

Steadiness over time is important. It may take months of daily practice to gradually ease into a pose; some postures may be impossible for some people. But, actually, stretchy ligaments and supple muscles are not the goal of yoga.

 

The word ‘yoga’ means to yoke or connect. ‘Ligio’ means to link, it is related to the word ligament. Religio means to reconnect, it is the Latin root of the word religion. So, yoga has a similar meaning to religion in the sense of connecting with God.

 

Most people think of yoga as a means to better health or sex life, but the real purpose of yoga is spiritual. The yogi trains his body and mind in order to sit tight and totally focus his mind within, in search of the ‘supersoul’ or the Lord in the heart.

 

Actually, yoga is not recommended in this age. It was effective in previous ages, when life was more peaceful, harmonious and natural. 

 

When Krishna described the yoga system to Arjuna, 5,000 years ago, he objected. “I think it is easier to control the wind than to control my restless mind.” The hatha yoga system is not a recommended process of self realization in this age.


09/22/19 08:16 AM #463    

 

Virginia Wolfe (Scheffer)

Love the pic's, so Tom.......which one is you?


09/22/19 11:48 AM #464    

 

Linda Pompeo (Worden)

I think about the time I tried the one up on the forearms  I would either do a face plant or be a permanent pretzel!


09/22/19 03:21 PM #465    

 

Al Peffley

Ah, to be in my 20's or 30's again with some "reasonable" body flexabilities. If I had known I would live this long I would have been much more careful participating in water sports activities.  Pre-running muscle stretch preparation excercises are pretty much the extent of my current body exercise capability with a torn left ACL, LOL! That "pretzel"-looking pose reminds me of competition gymnastics, Tom, which I never excelled at in my youth. Some of our classmates excelled at gymnastics and won state competitions to prove it under the talented coaching of Mr. Sarver. I broke both of my big toes improperly dismounting from the rings in high school gym class...


09/22/19 06:14 PM #466    

 

Linda Pompeo (Worden)

Al,

Ordered the book you recommended, Protein Power, from the library.  Sounds interesting since my husband has some of the same med allergies.

 


09/22/19 10:03 PM #467    

 

Diane Paulson

I do a few standing poses only, no kneeling or floor, due to joint issues. But sometimes if I am upset I find the yoga poses are very calming, almost miraculous in helping to focus on what matters.


09/23/19 07:22 AM #468    

 

Virginia Wolfe (Scheffer)

Yes Tom, our brothers have been best friends since High School, a mere 50 yrs ago.


09/23/19 10:32 AM #469    

Tom Chavez

Where is everybody?

 

As the story goes, Nobel prizewinning nuclear physicist Enrico Fermi, most famous for creating the first nuclear reactor, casually asked this question in 1950, long before scientists found planets outside of our solar system.

 

We have now discovered more than 3,000 planets, with more being found frequently. There must be trillions of planets in the universe, many of them far older than Earth, giving plenty of opportunity for advanced alien civilizations to develop.

 

Fermi realized that any civilization with modest rocket technology could colonize the entire galaxy within ten million years. That may sound long, but it's quite brief compared with the age of the galaxy, which is roughly ten thousand million years.

 

The Fermi Paradox asks the question, “Where are the aliens?”

 

Many answers have been suggested: space travel is too difficult, aliens skipped the earth, advanced civilizations are too new, intelligent life is killed off by climate change such as occurred on Venus (runaway greenhouse effect) or Mars (atmosphere lost into space), self destruction by warfare, etc.

 

In fact, we have records of contact with alien civilizations in the ancient Sanskrit literatures. These Vedic literatures are associated with the Hindu religion, which they far predate.

 

Carl Sagan certainly did not endorse Hinduism, but he noted: “Hindu religion is the … only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the earth or the sun and about half of the time since the big bang. And there are much longer time scales still.”—Cosmos p. 213-214

 

Perhaps if Sagan had studied the Vedas in more detail, he would have realized that what he considers an “accident” was actually the result of contact with more advanced civilizations.

 

(Of course, extraterrestrial researchers would know for certain that aliens exist and are in our midst if they could just meet Gregg Wilson.)


09/23/19 12:46 PM #470    

 

Al Peffley

Gregg is a good guy, Tom. You just know how to pull each other's "chain" too well. I believe there are ET's and I am also open to alternate theories of particle physics. Proof of theories sometimes is elusive, but often is discovered as "unpleasant truths" are experienced when lab experiments fail or come out with unexpected outcomes. Scientists and technologists are constantly developing new instruments to look into the particulate levels of what matter consists of in many materials (electronics development and composite metals) and applications of unique hybrid cellular structures (organic LED's, nanotechnology drug advancements, etc.) I worked on several DARPA advanced development programs over the years.

There is a maturity scale for development (that NASA created), manufacturing/production, and the operational phases of all things -- cellular alterations, hardware, AI, and system software alike. Replication, materials availability, and human integration in the field all have maturity requirements to be met for anything to be useful and safe for human use. As one of my advanced technology assessment bosses use to say, "When there are no longer people running around and behind the operation of a device or system wearing white lab coats and making it work, then it might be ready for production and integration."

The two 737 MAX foreign airline accidents are a good example of fatal development, production, and fielding (training) immaturities. Airbus is politically using the accidents to recapture market share from Boeing. Boeing had a similar flight control software problem on the initial, fly-by-wire 747 models with Asian pilots trying to manually override new autopilot functions on takeoff or landings (poor implementation and crew training.) Some cultures have difficulty communicating and understanding new features on complex control functions. Teaching critical flight control procedures after lunch is also not a good idea...history repeats itself when we fail to study history and learn from it. The human operational failure studies research area is called "Trust in Automation".

I am glad to help, Linda. Talk to your doctor and be sure that there is nothing about the diet that might not fit your husband's individual body chemistry and special health diet needs. The diet is pretty Spartan to start out losing weight and to get your body conditioned to the new diet with greatly reduced carbs. Unlike some diets, it seeks a balance of natural food types that do not contain a lot of processed or natural food carbohydrates. Most "diet" foods marketed in food stores today have a lot of carbs and chemicals to enhance texture and flavoring. You can order your own copy of the book from Powell Books in Portland online, and have it mailed to your home, Powell Books often has new and used copies of Protein Power for sale. It comes in paperback or hard copy (we have bought both forms, but we found the paperback books are more compact for kitchen area storage and use.)


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