Tom Chavez

Al, 

I agree about diversity and am in favor of unity in diversity: “e pluribus unum”, which was the original motto of the United States. Of course, that related many States to one nation, but I think it applies in other contexts also.

Our body is a world in itself, so to speak, composed of trillions of cells. These cells come in a huge variety, and they form various different realms (organs) like liver, heart, lungs, skeleton, etc. The point is, they are meant to act together cooperatively for the benefit of the owner of the body. You are the owner of your body, and I am the owner of mine. We want the cells of our body to cooperate for the benefit of our health and life. When the cells cooperate nicely under intelligent direction, we achieve peak experiences.

I see human society somewhat analogously. There is a large variety of humans with different qualities and capabilities. We form different kinds of ‘organs’, like educational institutions, agricultural organizations, factories, counties, cities, armies and countries. The order and organization of a human body and of human society have many similarities. Dissonance between black and white, men and women, or citizens of different nations is like an auto-immune reaction in human society. We are diverse, but we should be united.

Suppose some cells of the body become selfish, and decide not to cooperate and endeavor for the owner of the body, but rather reject the idea that there even is an owner of the body, and they decide to just do their own thing, eat whatever they want and develop in their own way. They become a cancer in the body.

Similarly, if a person or group of persons becomes selfish, disregards the organization of society, becomes uncooperative for the benefit of society, is it not somewhat analogous? Of course, we know who the leader of our body is. The difficulty is, that it is not always clear who is the leader of society, and under whose direction everyone should cooperate and endeavor for the good of the whole society.

In ideal ancient societies it was understood that the king represented God. The king’s duty was to protect and organize society under the advice and guidance of saints, sages and priests. The whole point was that human society should unite and endeavor to please the supreme Lord, and thus society developed churches, cathedrals, temples, music, art, dance and spiritual culture aimed toward this end. Unfortunately, over time as the leaders lose their noble, spiritual and pure qualities, the citizens rebel against degraded leaders, and society gradually devolves into a dysfunctional confusion of competing self-interested parties.

The basis of equality among humans is spiritual. Materially we are certainly not equal. But, if we see each person as a spirit soul, and the body as simply an outward dress, we see with equal vision. We can then see the true equality of all men and women regardless of race, religion, social position, etc. When we lose spiritual vision society becomes contentious among different ethnicities, races, castes, and creeds all competing to dominate, exploit, and gain selfish advantage.

You write: “We need to ban people from beaches and make them animal diversity corridors again, especially on the West Coast. People need to be contained in model [chaotic] "Megacity" population [control] centers like San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angeles, or Portland, OR, proposed under Sustainable Development initiatives.”

I can’t grasp exactly your intention and meaning, or the reasoning behind it. Are you being sarcastic? Please explain a little more. Thanks!

Tom Chavez

Gregg,

I'm starting to catch on to what you are doing. Duh! I want to respond to your latest about the sun, but I drove today from Houston to Dallas to help my friend, who bought my business, to get it organized in its new location. It's late now and I need rest. I'll get back to you as soon as I have time. Keep on truckin'!

Al Peffley

Yes Tom, I was being sarcastic about the Biodiversity Corridors and Megacity population centers proposed and marketed by UN Agenda 21 proponents (on both sides of our [merging] two-party political system.) The Sustainable Development politicians and societal Change zealots have been working on these new world order goals for decades. They started their societal control programs subtly and methodically, well before Agenda 21 was signed in 1992. This proposed Biosphere Protection Plan map was presented to the US Senate and rejected by the majority of Congress members representing the 48 states within the CONUS boundries:

Most of their ideas alarmed people in Congress and were not well received by traditional Americans in the past. Then AOC is elected to Congress and she introduces the "Green New Deal". Basically the Green New Deal subjugates Americans into population control centers and creates a collapsed economy through forced metropolitan living conditions, no access to conventional power sources, reduction in individual rights to own real property, limited food choices, rationed health services, and unrealistic expectations from solar cell and wind power technologies in an unbelievable short period of "Change". Interesting that a former bartender who could not manage her own personal finances is now on the House of Representatives Finance Committee and considers herself a subject matter expert in both science and technolgy matters. This young woman is a female political Trojan Horse for a group of cancer parts of our society called "The Young Turks". People who want to kill off parts of our civilization to achieve their idea of a Supreme World Society (sound familiar?). History repeats itself and the cancer starts to outgrow the healthy parts of a civilization. I submit there is only one "race" that depicts the earth's peoples and that Homo Sapiens species is the "Human Race". All other politically defined "races" are purely used to divide the body of all peoples into manipulated groups for social control and domination of available resources by king-wanna be's. Traditionally, these totalitarian leaders are never subjected to the limitations they impose on their domain subjects. -- Stalin and Hitler come to mind.

I worked in Clear Lake near Houston, TX for NASA and grew up in Burien from age 2 through my early 20's. Burien is gang-infested and Houston is quickly becoming (unfortunately) a "Chicago of the South". I was a Texan for three years in the mid-1980's and lived in Arlington, Texas. Dallas is another violent city in Texas. Today I would not move back to Seattle or "Megacities" like Houston. I now live near Portland, OR. The weekly homicide and gang warfare "cancer" incidents are increasing and sustained at an alarming rate. Domestic terrorist organizations in Portland seem to be as violent as the lawless organized international cartels and gangs. My wife was at the Clackamas Mall when a "Occupy Portland" terrorist used a stolen rifle to kill people he did not know in the mall's food court. It seems today that the preditors are labeled "victims of societal issues", and the real victims are blamed for the attack cause. Portland is no longer a pleasant place to visit and shop with our grand children.

Every place on earth also has people of good will living there as well as evil people (the social cancer you speak of), but the risk of being attacked seems to be more probable (and violent) in densely-populated areas of our major cities. Everywhere you go in Portland you see homeless people living in filthy tent habitats with trash, used needles, and fecal matter surrounding their living space. Not all of those people are mentally-challenged or homeless out of choice, but some are there out of choice and/or they are criminal fugitives from other cities and states. Portland's city leaders make little effort to separate the poor from the preditors. Preditors are people (mostly males) who pretend they are poor and make a living out of bully control violence and selling killer tainted drugs. Portland even has an organized homeless network community with a King & Queen! The police do their best at times, but City Hall does not really support them when bad things happen.

Gregg, you started an interesting discussion on the physical makeup and operational mechanics of our Sun. Sun storm nuclear particulate radiation emissions are so powerful and conventional space enclosures structure "piercing" that our astronauts in space endure. Astronauts living in unsheltered insitu habitation modules and while performing extra-vehiclular activities (EVA) are required to seek shelter until an intense solar radiation threat passes. A special radiation shelter area within a space vehicle or station is required to reduce exposure to the harmful radiation effects of solar storm emissions on their bodies. The best radiation shield that was developed and validated during the Space Shuttle era was a shelter structure that consisted of "heavy" water fluid encased between panel layers of lead-like, metal composite plates. The fluid-filled panels formed the ceiling, walls, and floor of the solar radiation shelter capsule. That said, prolonged exposure to "normal" space radiation levels still resulted in a space environment operations "half-life" of hours for astronaut EVA exposure time allowable outside of a specialized radiation resistant habitat. Humans need a minimum specified gravity and atmospheric control environment to maintain normal body functions. Irreversible body changes to humans like sterility and bone loss are common after extended periods of time in space station habitats and interplanetary transportation vehicles (such as envisioned future space vehicle travel to planets like Mars.) I know this from discussing cause and effect health issues with NASA Apollo and Shuttle manned space program astronauts during the 1980's and 1990's. As a retiree since 2004, I miss the interesting aerospace system development projects and most of my coworkers, but not the long hours and time spent on extended trips away from my home and family.

Gregg Wilson

                                               POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CHARGE

The purpose of my presentations is to educate others on cosmology, astronomy, physics, and chemistry.

The concept of positive and negative charge began with Ben Franklin. In working with electrical matters, he described that electricity was a fluid. Incredibly close to the actual fact. He posited that a surplus of the electrical fluid was the positive charge and the absence of electrical fluid was the negative charge. No reference to particles.

In the progress of understanding electricity and subsequently electrical circuits, the use of positive points and negative points came into general usage. However, these were human concepts and had no correlation to Reality. J. J. Thompson introduced the idea of an atom having positive and negative charges within it. Since the atom was believed to be neutral, he proposed that the center of the atom would be positive, surrounded by negative charge. Again, a human idea with no causative relation to Reality. It is interesting that a false premise can be carried forth in science, because later scientists do not critically examine the preceding theory.

Rutherford, with his associates, proceeded to "prove" that the atom was like a solar system. They had already decided on this structure prior to carrying out an experiment. In the experiment of firing alpha particles through a very thin gold film, they found that almost all alpha particles passed through the gold film. Their conclusion (already decided on) was that the positive nucleus was extremely tiny, surrounded by large volume of orbiting, negative electrons. A step forward on the unchallenged Thompson theory. Apparently, Rutherford never calculated the mass and velocity of the alpha particle, which would have it plough through the gold film. 

It was then realized that such a structure would instantly collapse because the negative electrons would be attracted by the positive charged nucleus and fall into the nucleus. Neils Bohr saved the situation by declaring that the electrons had fixed orbits. Why? Because Bohr said so. Linus Pauling then created a highly complex order of shells, orbits, orbitals that would shame the Catholic Church.

All of this was created by human theory with no hard evidence to Reality. Positive and negative charges, and electrons were made up. They do not exist.

Next step will be the nature of protons.

Al Peffley

Good Evening Gregg,

I hope you are going to weave into your discussion the role partical accelerators (linear & circular) have played in learning more about advanced Particle Physics and scientific research. Our son has worked at Los Alamos Labs on the large linear particle accellerator project. He is working in the small satellites' scientific payloads division at the present. He was a nuclear power propulsion system operator in Navy submarines for about 18 years (excluding training.) He retired after doing 20 in the Navy Submarine Service and hired on at the Los Alamos Labs from attack subs programs at Norfolk (Virginia Class Subs test & operational fielding programs.)

https://www.energy.gov/articles/how-particle-accelerators-work (a DoE educational website hyperlink)

Also, will you discuss briefly how exciting electrons in specific gas elements (gas fuels with a seed initiator) are combined in a supersonic plenum (a specially designed photon creation cavity), or how mineral elements/compounds (solid state crystals) can be "grown" (a crystal production process) to create high energy laser (HEL) or low energy photon directed energy beams? Lasers and particle beams are widely used in manufacturing many consumer products commonly used today by all of us.

I worked on high energy laser projects but did not get into the nitty gritty of the chemistry and physics processes involved in beam forming. Chemical and gas dynamic laser system beams are created and then "amplified" with very finely ground and uniquely shaped mirrors. The resulting high power laser beams are projected through a special beam aperature telescope (tube) whose size depends upon the beam power and frequency (visable or invisible spectrum). A lot of exotic metals are used in the beam forming mirrors and structural device subsystems and components -- really HOT stuff when a high energy laser device is in operation.

USAF/Boeing YAL-1 High Energy Chemical Laser Testbed Aircraft (cancelled by Obama Administration). The laser beam is projected out of that odd-looking buldge on the nose of this military version of the 747 platform. The mission was for a highly mobile, ballistic missile defense platform that can be deployed to world-wide air base locations owned and operated by our allies or US territories in the Pacific.

AFRL/Boeing Gas Dynamic Airborne Laser Lab (ALL) Testbed stationed at AFWL's Kirtland AFB New Mexico lab facilities in the early 1980"s. This system was field tested for almost a decade against live tactical system targets at White Sands. I worked on both of these airborne HEL projects and solid state laser systems (USMC/Army platforms) off and on for 20 years at Boeing. The ALL's high energy laser beam was projected sideways from that round dome in front of the hump on the top of the fuselage. Fueling these HEL systems with cryogenic gases was complicated and could be dangerous. The WSO was isolated from the cockpit in the event the laser system plumbing or tanks sprung a hazardous gas leak. The telescope had an atomized spray gas "window" to protect the system from injesting contaminants in the sky while flying test missions. This testbed plane was a modified AC-135 (707 military derivative). The mission of this platform was to defend against tactical missle threats in forward-deployed theater of operations. Now the focus is on using aircraft like the AC-130, loitering UAV's, and large helicopter platforms for tactical operation missions.

I had a wonderful systems integration and life cycle cost assessment job without obtaining an advanced academic degree. What I didn't obtain in college classes, I learned from buying technical subject matter books and teaching myself with the help of many talented friends at work and within the aerospace R&D community.

Gregg Wilson

Hi Al,

I will get around to electrical phenomena. In short, the light carrying medium has the formal name: elysium.

The elysium particles, elysons, will replace conventional electrons. But first I have to define what a proton is.

Soon.

Gregg Wilson

                                                               THE PROTON

A number of astronomers have accepted the existence of the graviton flux and the light carring medium (elysium). A graviton has mass and kinetic energy. No thermal properties of heat, light, temperature. One can characterize the graviton as one part per million mass and 999,999 parts per million velocity. Elysium has the thermal properties of heat, light, temperature. It has no inherent velocity.

The astronomers struggled with how the gravitation flux would move a proton. They thought that a graviton impact would impart heat and raise the temperature of the proton. However, a proton itself does not have thermal properties. They had two mistakes:

Implicitly the proton was a sphere and it would rise in temperature due to graviton impacts. It works out that a proton is a four sided, hollow pyramid. This shape satisfies all known behaviors of a proton.

                                            GRAVITONS IMPACTING A HOLLOW PROTON

Any graviton impacting the outside surface of the proton would give kinetic energy to the proton - except another graviton can travel that path in the reverse direction. There is no net kinetic energy given to the proton. However, a graviton that impacts the inner surface of the proton will impart kinetic energy to the proton. Another graviton can  follow in the reverse direction and will also impart kinetic energy to the proton. The net result is that the proton will move in the direction of its outside tip (to the left).

We will now insert the elysium medium.

The proton does not have to do anything. It is simply in the way. The graviton flux will push the elysium up against the proton surface where it will condense. The uphill and downhill (elevation) is entirely a property of the proton geometry. The graviton flux has no up and down. Condensed elysium will flow downhill from the outer tip to the inner, concave portion of the tip. When the liquid elysium is in this inner position, it can no longer retreat. But it is pounded by the graviton flux and vaporizes. This outward, a moving pressure wave (light) will accomplish what the orbiting electron supposedly did.

Period.

There is a famous experiment as follows: a chamber contains a hard vacuum. A magnet inside the chamber is shaped such that the north pole and south pole face each other. There is a gap (vacuum) between the two magnetic poles. A stream of atomic hydrogen is inlet on the side.When the atomic hydrogen comes between the two magnetic poles it divides into exactly two streams. One stream goes to the south pole and the other stream goes to the north pole.

The conventional explanation is that there are two different kinds of atomic hydrogen. Nonsense. The hollow protons will have a slight geometric inclination in the bidirectional graviton flux such that one half of them will be driven to the north pole and the other half will be driven to the south poles. And there they sit.

Next we will examine the hydrogen atom and the hydrogen molecule.

Al Peffley

This physics tutorial website below that I found on the Internet (I thought it has an interesting name for the tutorial website) describes the theory normally used to explain photon emissions (laser light beams) formed from electron state transitions (your elysons). A version of this quantum theory modeling description (you might find it crude) was used in laser device operation presentations to technical people like me with elementary quantum physics knowledge (that was previously taught to non-Physics science majors in undergraduate school college.)

Whatever physics theory is used to describe how the emitted light waves are named, created, or described does not change the fact that we can cause laser beams to be formed and control them for commercial manufacturing or military systems use by society. Lasers can be used for less-than-leathal effects by dialing down the power output level of a device, and also adjusting the beam control and pulse duration. Eye damage in lab technicians and people exposed to laser beams is reduced by wearing specially filtered, personal protection equipment (PPE) glasses. The glasses are designed for each specific laser type wavelength (there is no type of PPE glasses that I know of that will protect your eyes against all types of low power laser beams.) Low power green spectrum laser beams entering unprotected human eyes will disrupt normal brain functions and cause confusion in the recipient human's brain.

https://nigerianscholars.com/tutorials/electronic-structure-of-atoms/quantum-theory-electrons-atoms/

The term "Elysium" is from the Greek word for the afterworld beyond death, is it not? I could not find a website that describes "elysons". I am not a Particle Physics-trained person so I have no doubt that Greek words would be chosen to identify alternative theoretical particle relationships and electrical field "attributes" (proper term?). I am obviously not a math wizard at understanding all of these theories being presented here. I did find websites explaining "gravitons" and the theory behind them.

Magnets seem to be an accepted research tool to test or prove alternative explanations of how the elements react with each other or how particle mass is excellerated to kinetic speeds for various uses. Subatomic level theories were not relavent to my fields of expertise in developing aerospace systems. I imagine people who work at Intel would engage more in your lively discussion on Particle Physics theories.

Tom Chavez

Tom Chavez

Joanne Rowe (Jordan)

Fascinating to read these posts. Who knew we had geniuses among us? It was great to be at Highline in the ‘60s. And it’s sad to see how many classmates have passed on.

Gregg Wilson

Joanne,

I am NOT a genious. I simply choose to think.

                                  HYDROGEN MOLECULE AND DEUTERIUM

We will now proceed beyond a single proton.

Two hydrogen atoms are pushed together to form the hydrogen molecule. Remember that the geometry of the molecule determines up and down. The gravitational flux has no up and down. The liquid elysium now flows downhill to the tip of each proton. Here it combines to form a chemical bond like a glue. This bond, being a liquid, is pliable. It can stretch, rotate and bend - as is described in conventional chemistry. The liquid elysium is a dynamic population: elysons constantly condense and vaporize. All chemical bonds have this behavior, with variations depending on the geometry of the nuclei.

We now come to actual nuclear fussion.

Conventional nuclear physics claims that nuclear fusion can occur only at incredibly high temperatures. Not so. Although the out going elysium vapor waves would normally keep protons from coming together, it all depends on geometry. If the two bases come close enough, randomly, then each proton blocks the graviton flux and the elysium vapor waves die out, which waves were the repulsive force that keeps protons apart. However, the liquid elysium still flows downhill and enters the concave portion of each proton. Now the majority of the elysium inside each proton is liquid, when the two protons combine. (the graviton flux keeps them together)

Now at the moment of closing, a few gravitons will be trapped inside the deuterium nucleus. The gravitons have a velocity several billion times the speed of light. If you argue that they can get out when the protons combine, so also can they get in. The graviton has no motivation. They simply are where they are.

Let's suppose that the liquid elysium is only at "room" temperature. There is the law of conservation of momentum (mass * velocity). The few gravitons will transfer kinetic velocity to the elysons of the liquid elysium. The elysium response is a rise in thermal energy (actually it is kinetic energy). Assuming there are one thousand elysons to each graviton, the graviton will finally have the same velocity as the elysons. Using the law of conservation of momentum, the final common velocity will be roughly 3.7 million miles per second.

We know apply the of kinetic energy  law of gas to determine the temperature of the elysons. It is roughly 14 million degrees Kelvin. Now we know why and how the interior of a nucleus has the "incredibly" monstrous amount of energy. If you break open the deuterium nucleus (with a neutron), you get the atomic bomb.

Next subject will be how deuterium nuclei create larger atoms, such as oxygen, iron, etc.

Gregg Wilson

                                                 DEUTERIUM AND BEYOND!

There are some relevant features about the deuterium nucleus:

* There are no open bases on the protons. Therefore, there is no "coulomb" force being sent outward. So, there is no repulsive force stopping deuterium from polymerizing.

* There will still be a graviton wind pushing the deuterium nuclei together along with elysium being condensed on the deuterium surfaces. The condensed elysium will be as a "glue" between deuterium nuclei.

* In particular, protons with open bases will push deuterium nuclei together because of their vaporization of liquid elysium, which is the "coulomb" force described by conventional science.

Polymerization of deuterium will build a progressively larger body. There is no attraction and no collisions. It is all push. Each deuterium nucleus is in the way of other deuterium nuclei. And they do not repel each other.

A vast nebula only needs to contain protons and elysium (elysons) . It will have some rotational momentum, with the gravitational flux pushing on it from all directions. As a polymer of deuterium nuclei grows it will have increasing mass.

In time, it will become a planet. This planet will be in an orbit around the center of mass of the collapsing nebula. It's huge mass resists any push to force it to a smaller orbit. However, singular elysons and protons will fall inward. Once the protective, denser elysium falls inward from the new planet, that planet will be exposed to hard radiation. This will begin the radioactive decay on the planet's surface. This breakdown of the polymer deuterium will produce - at random - all of the 100 plus elements in the Periodic Table and all the known 3,340 isotopes of the elements. Shear randomness.

There is no need to make larger elements at ridiculously high temperatures in the Sun (billions of degrees Kelvin).

How long does a planetary, vast nucleus take to grow to a planet? This is unknown but certainly less than 4.6 billion years identified as the age of the solar system. We will get a hint from sunspots in the Sun.

Tom Chavez

Al, sorry to be late in my responses due to being busy and, unfortunately, somewhat lazy and undisciplined.

Looking back to your post of September 4th, I am not familiar with biodiversity proposals. I only have your presentation, in which you vilify both the concept and the people proposing. You describe the attempt to protect endangered species, whose habitats are being lost due to human development, as a scheme or screen “to create a Supreme World Society and kill off parts of our civilization.” You object that the proposals are impractical, and too restrictive of economic development, food choices, and personal freedoms for humans.

You submit that there is only one human race, consisting of Homo Sapiens, and that other ‘races’ are politically defined in order to control and dominate resources—and those who do this are would-be totalitarians like Stalin and Hitler.

Regarding politically defined human groups, Africans were enslaved, American Indians were decimated and restricted to ‘reservations’, and Jews were subject to the Nazi ‘final solution’. This kind of political definition is found worldwide. Groups are defined by genetic or cultural characteristics, and subjugated or exploited for the benefit of more powerful groups.

That is the result of ‘might makes right,’ ‘law of the jungle’ and ‘survival of the fittest’ mentality. If enough people accept these views of life, we create a world full of strife to exploit resources, and struggle to survive.

Of course, it is a fact that one living entity lives by eating other living entities. But we have the free will to minimize pain and suffering. For example, vegetarians and vegans want to avoid animal slaughter and exploitation. 

Humans subjugate and exploit weaker species, both plant and animal. We inflict suffering and torture on other species by animal industry, ‘scientific’ experimentation, etc. And, history stands as witness, we often inflict similar torture and suffering upon our fellow human beings. 

The Bible describes an ideal Garden of Eden in which all creatures live in peace and harmony. In the Vedas it is said that if the cow can wander without fear, humans can also wander without fear. If the cow is fearful, humans will also be afraid.

As you mention, we live in a fearful society, and it seems to become progressively more fearful. I spend much time in China and India and, frankly, I find it much more peaceful in those countries. 

In some places in India, agrarian folk live simply and happily. They have a small plot of land, and a cow and a bull which they treat like family members. The animals eat grass and organic garbage like fruit peels; the cow gives milk the bull plows the earth to produce grain. These people would never think of killing their cow and bull, which they consider to be sacred.

I propose that we should respect all life as sacred. With that mentality we could create a more harmonious and cooperative world.

We various species are symbiotically interdependent. We need plants to produce oxygen, we need cows to produce milk, we need fruits and vegetables for healthy life. And other species need humans to produce carbon dioxide by respiration, to protect them from predators like tigers, lions and animalistic humans, to cultivate them, etc. 

The holistic view is that are all part of an interconnected web of life on spaceship earth. We should be thoughtful about how to live here peacefully and cooperatively with all the passengers. Of course, we must deal with criminals, disease, etc. This is, after all, the material world, not our real home.

Tom Chavez

Al Peffley

Tom, if you examine your teeth you will observe you have canine teeth. Being a vegetarian is a lifestyle choice, not a genetic predisposition as we are a species who are not herbavoirs by genetic makeup. I have no problem with humans being “veagans” as long as they get enough protein in their daily diet and don’t try to force their beliefs or lifestyle on others who don’t wish to be restricted to a plant-focused diet. Plants produce oxilates that are harmful to some humans and other animals on earth. I must find a diet balance to avoid kidney infections derived from oxyilates - I am a “Stone Producer”. May you never have kidney stone infections or liver failure like Steve Jobs (from an extreme vegan lifestyle.)

Native Americans and Black Africans in their cultures were the first slave owners and sellers, not white people. The Progressives distort recorded history to achieve global control through pitting cultures against each other.

As far as the intent of producing biodiversity areas to drive people into megaregions, a good read is the book: The Perils of Sustainable Development, by Rene’ Holaday (ISBN 978-0-615-62783-0). She worked on the UN’s Biosphere Program. The book is short and an easy read. Sorry, no catchy graphics to add to my message as I am out of town and using my iPad (I do enjoy your graphics 👍).

Tom Chavez

Al, you are right, I have canine teeth. As a matter of fact, except for some rodents and rabbits, nearly all mammals have canine teeth. But they are not all carnivorous. I have fists, but I have don’t have to beat others with them. It’s best to avoid harm and suffering if possible. We can easily reduce suffering to ourselves and others if we choose. The suffering we cause others reacts karmically upon ourselves.

I notice that the Mayo clinic recommends reducing animal protein because it may raise your chance of producing kidney stones. Milk and dairy products do not contain oxalate and they can provide animal fat without violence. I had a tough time to become vegetarian, until I realized that my craving for animal fat could be satisfied by dairy products. Then it was easy.

There are plenty of bad examples of slavers and exploiters, but that doesn’t justify following them. The Golden Rule implies that if we don’t want to be enslaved and exploited, we should not enslave and exploit others. Unless you believe in the Iron Rule: Do unto others before they do unto you.

Progressives, regressives, communists, capitalists or whoever wants to achieve global control are foolish. Why go there? Everyone is controlled by higher powers. Not even a blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord. Those who don’t believe in God are controlled by indomitable time and the stringent laws of nature. Let karma take care of it.

A few more graphics for ya. Just kidding about human canines being meant for fighting. I think they are decorative and useful tools.

Ted Comstock (Briggs-Comstock)

There are no cave paintings of salads. 

Al Peffley

The three medical school websites I get my information from that specialize in kidney stone research (one is Harvard) all agree that meat has no oxilates, so I don’t understand the Mayo Clinic’s comment. A responsible diet should include a balance of foods in small portions. We have been conditioned by the food industry businesses to eat lots of carbohydrates that are converted into sugars and cholesterol in our bodies. Carbohydrates are killing us, In the doses that are promoted by big business. The picture of the rabbit in the young man’s mouth is repulsive! 👎

Al Peffley

Good one, Ted! Reminds me of the old joke: Vegan, Native American name for bad hunter.

My vegan food choices are limited by “my Karma” I guess, but circumstances are what they are and I choose my perception and response to them without forcing my lifestyle on my neighbor. Respect and love are earned, not forced on others because we disagree with their lifestyle food choices or faith in a Supreme Being Creator.

One God, one Lord Jesus Christ is my faith. Have a blessed day and live it (by your God-given right of choice) to it’s fullest potential, Tom. Peace be with you.

🙈 🙉 🙊

Tom Chavez

Gregg, interesting physics that you describe, very different from what is normally taught and used in science and industry. I have a few questions.

You wrote on 8/25 “The photon is not a carryer of light. (It does not exist)”.

According to most scientists photons are massless wavicles or wave packets (they can appear as particle or wave). They travel 186,282 miles per second in a vacuum, the speed of light.

Einstein’s Relativity Theory establishes the equivalence of mass and energy E=mc^2, and implies that the speed of light cannot be exceeded by objects with mass.

You wrote on 9/1/19 that “the speed of a graviton has to be several billion times the speed of light” and on 9/6/19 that “A graviton has mass”. Obviously this violates the theory of relativity.

As you wrote on 8/30/19, “If gravity is repulsive then the force of gravity is finite, not infinite. This puts the kibosh on Black Holes. They do not exist.”

No photons, no black holes, no relativity. Alternate physics?

On 8/25/19 you write: “We cannot see a proton.” That makes sense since it is much smaller than an atom and below the threshold of observability according to Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. Yet, you describe in detail the hollow pyramidal geometry of the proton and the so-called elysium flow inside. 

If you can’t observe it, how do you know the detailed shape? It seems you can see and can’t see, which is contradictory. Have you abandoned the law of the excluded middle along with photons, relativity, etc.? 

Alternate logic? 

What about tachyons?

Tom Chavez

Al, yes, I also find that picture repulsive. Have you ever visited a slaughterhouse? You support something far more repulsive when you buy the meat of slaughtered animals. Visit one sometime and you’ll see.

I’m not a Biblical scholar, but I respect Jesus as a son of God and a spiritual master who sacrificed his life for our benefit. He taught to love they neighbor as thyself. I consider the animals to be my neighbors. I try to love them, not to love eating them. Did he not also say, whatever you do to the least of these creatures you do also unto me? 

I’m a vegetarian, but not a fanatic. If I had nothing else to eat, I might eat meat. I might even kill for it. Thankfully, I haven’t faced that situation. Every endeavor entails fault, just as fire entails smoke. We have to try our best and remain steady in success and failure.

I agree with you that there is one God and one Lord Jesus Christ. However, as William Blake wrote:

Both read the Bible day and night,

One reads black and the other, white.

There is much disagreement about the meaning, translation and applicability of Biblical teachings. Here is what my Christian friend sent me:

“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is on

the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree

yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” Genesis 1:29 Shows that the true

diet of man is vegetarian.

“But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And

surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I

require it.” Gen. 9:4-5 Shows that man is not allowed to eat meat, and if he

does he will pay with his own life. This is called karma.

“To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? Saith the Lord: I

am full of the burnt offering of rams, and the fat of beasts; and I delight not in

the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of goats. When ye spread forth your

hands, I will hide Mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will

not hear, for your hands are full of blood.” Isaiah 1:11,15 Shows that God does

not accept even the prayers of a meat-eater.

“He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man.” Isaiah 66:3 Shows that cow killing

is equated with murder.

“It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your

dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.” Leviticus 3:17 This is the origin of the

idea of Kosher food (meat with the blood drained out of it). 

“And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of strangers who

among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set My face against

that soul that eateth blood.” Leviticus 17:10 Note the term “any manner of

blood”. All flesh comes from blood.

Actually, I don’t read the Bible much, I read the Gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam, but the gist is similar.

Another great Blake poem:

God exists and God is light

to those poor souls who live in night;

But does a human form display

to those who live in realm of day.

Peace be unto you, Al. Hare Krishna!

Tom Chavez

Ted Comstock! Nice to hear from you again after decades! Please accept my respectful salutations!

We are not cave men. From what I understand, the vast majority of human beings in the history of human civilization were vegetarian. It is only with the advent of refrigeration in modern times that meat has become commodity. Without refrigeration, meat putrifies too fast. 

Humans have a long digestive tract, like herbivores or vegetarian animals. Carnivores have a much shorter tract, and much stronger acid in their stomachs. They must digest the meat and excrete quickly, before it putrifies in their gut. 

Meat diet is associated with all kinds of diseases including colon cancer, heart disease, etc. Einstein, Newton, Ben Franklin, and many outstanding personalities strongly recommend vegetarian diet. I don’t think the recommendation (if that is what it is) of cave men is persuasive. Eat more salad!

Al Peffley

Tom,

My father was a butcher and worked in several slaughter houses. I am a hunter. Believe me when I say that I am intimately aware of where all animal kingdom protein meat comes from for our food.

I am not pushing my diet habits off on you and I will not get into a Bible verse “duel” over why the Old Testament addresses the eating of animal blood versus plant foods. I study the whole Bible but I don’t store up verses to use them to win debates or missionary campaigns against alternative religions. I am constantly learning new things in my Bible studies and I don’t use verses to reinforce my views of the world’s faults. I have enough faults of my own to address. A loving person does not use the Bible to make another person feel guilty about lifestyles chosen but suggests a perspective for thoughtful consideration of repentful action and practical application in their life. Peace be with you.

This circular logic discussion is not yielding useful information in my life. We can agree to disagree on diet choices and talk about more important things about how people mistreat each other in society? Gregg started a discussion about physics theory and we got side-tracked on solving the world’s problems. I take my share of the blame for going down those “rabbit holes”. I will now leave the remaining postings to Gregg and you. My apologies to our class mates for drolling on and on.

Sue Storey (Manola)