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06/05/20 01:39 PM #994    

Tom Chavez

I Can’t Breathe!

 

We are supposed to be a society in which all are treated equally with an equal right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” 

 

Why the stark difference between the death rate of caucasians and people of color from the coronavirus? 

 

Why the different responses toward black people protesting and white people storming government buildings with assault rifles? 

 

Black people who protest because the police are killing them are called “thugs”. White people, spitting on police, hanging a sitting governor in effigy, are called “good people.”

 

Children scream while being taken away from parents at the southern border, pleading to have their mommy and daddy back. 

 

The National Museum of African American History and Culture shows a picture of a black baby ripped from his mother, who is on her knees begging the slave master not to take her child.

 

Injustice has gone on a long time, not only in slavery but also with Native Americans on reservations, Japanese-Americans in internment camps, and the public school-to-prison pipeline. 

 

That’s why some people are more concerned about buildings burning than about a man being killed by police on the ground.

 

See the true equality of all living beings by viewing them as divine sparks of life; not as their temporary and external physical bodies.

 

The humble sages, by virtue of true knowledge, see with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].—Bhagavad-Gita 5.19


06/05/20 03:56 PM #995    

 

Bill Engelhardt

Message to the "younger generation"..................


06/06/20 01:53 PM #996    

Tom Chavez

Food For Thought

 

Computers are like humans - they do everything except think.

~ John von Neumann

 

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.  ~Albert Einstien

 


06/08/20 02:44 PM #997    

Tom Chavez

"I have made the Bhagavad Gita as the main source of my inspiration and guide for the purpose of scientific investigations and formation of my theories." ~ Albert Einstein

 

The Bhagavad Gita is a short section of humanity’s greatest epic, Mahabharat, from over 5,000 years ago when India (still called Bharat today in Hindi) was a much larger country covering most of Asia. The Gita is a short discussion between Arjun and Krishna on a battlefield, just before the start of a great war.

 

Arjun was the greatest warrior of his day, and Krishna had agreed to be his charioteer. Just before the battle began, Arjun asked Krishna to drive the chariot between the two armies. From there Arjun could see in the opposing armies his teacher Drona, his grandfather Bhishma, his cousins, and many other friends and family members.

 

Arjun was overwhelmed by compassion seeing so many people whom he loved, whom he had to fight. He told Krishna that this battle would cause suffering to all the women who would lose their sons and husbands, and would destroy family tradition. He offered many reasons to stop the war. Dropping his weapons, Arjun declared,  “Krishna, I cannot fight.”

 

Krishna responded, “Arjun, while speaking learned words, you are mourning for that which is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living or the dead. Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings. As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from childhood, to youth, to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not disturbed by such a change.”

 

Krishna then revealed great practical, ethical and transcendental knowledge to Arjun. The Gita is famous all over the world even till today. As Einstein was inspired by it, you may be also. I recommend Bhagavad Gita As It Is, available from Bhaktivedanta Book Trust and other booksellers.

 


06/08/20 02:58 PM #998    

 

Al Peffley

When I see violence and extreme private and public property damage, caused and financially funded primarily by WHITE-skinned looters and criminal activists based upon white global supremist orhanizations like Antifa and Black Lives Matter, I turn to people of African ancestry who are decent, law abiding American citizens. I want to hear and read their comments and thoughts on what is happening in American cities. Candace Owens is one of those educated person's of color, along with Thomas Sowell, Dr. Ben Carson, and many others. Many decent Black skin color professionals are people, not unlike like Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who promote loving your neighbor and looking past skin color to the inner human being. They comment on actions or lack of action in our Republic form of government society by our leadership. Culture backgrounds can add a diversity beauty to society or work toward extreme racism to destroy the peace of law and order for eveyone. It is for us to decide, to shrink back in fear, or get involved and openly defend our communities.

The Ten Commandments are posted on the building that houses our Supreme Court. There are no exception "footnotes" or Court Opinions to the Ten Commandments, whether you believe in a Supreme Creator or not. Our US Constitution and state constitutions have made us one of he greatest and most powerful nations in the documented history of the earth. A movement to eradicate those highest laws of the land and eliminate law enforcement to achieve protection from evil leads to facism, lawless society with high crime and death, and eventual totalitarian rule by evil people. Stand up America or be subdued and servants of evil. Do not kneel to evil.

This is a good read, based on (hopefully) autopsy finding facts about the state of health and checkered background of George Floyd and his arresting officers:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/just_like_that_gun_control_support_and_covid19_died_this_week.html

The arresting officer and George Floyd knew each other personally. They are reported to have worked at the same night club together in 2019 as security personnel. The facts are being distorted and spun to foment hate, racial activism riots, and extreme violence by political extremists. Young adults (mostly caucasians from the videos I have watched) are attacking and destroying their own "Blue" city infrastructures and eliminating minority-owned small businesses. Many young "social justice warriors" are being used by global political puppet masters to destroy the American Dream (some of which are evil billionaire manipulators.)

Don't be fooled by the media - We are not all in this [revolution and lockdown] together. All lives matter.

The truth of forensic investigation and scientific facts will eventually come out into the light of righteousness. We will never know all of the facts. However, one thing is for sure -- that we are seing a violent civil war unfold before us that has been brewing and strategized within one American political party for decades, with blatant radical politicians impunity. They are destoying their own voter base by not defending and enforcing law and order in our largest progressive cities, cities that are already severly impacted by the Chinese virus.

This all makes me sad that many of our young adults have no moral rudder or love for their neighbor. I will defend my house and loved ones and our small community businesses, with or without local police support (and I am not alone.) This is not a video game or "The Hunger Games". This is real life violence and destruction that will not be tolerated by law abiding people of the America I continue to serve and defend.

General Mattis is now a promoter of hatred and proving himself to be a disgrace to the US Marine Corps. He owes Americans a public apology for his petty and vengeful oped article recently published in the Atlantic. His article is incorrect, as many US presidents have deployed armed active duty troops to demotivate violent rioters (as Gregg has testified from direct experience.) A POTUS order of employing active duty troops to cease violent rioter attacks when local police are overwhelmed by non-peaceful mobs causing chaos and attacking the American public has proven quite effective and Constitutionally lawful. Thank God Powell, Milley, Mattis, or Kelly will probably never be POTUS. Where were they when prior presidents and Congress members of both parties made inflamatory statements and bad decisions that were used as excuses for large public riots? Take the log out of your own eye first, General Mattis, before you start whining about your failed relationship and petty disagreements with a sitting US President! What do you not understand about the President's CINC role in the US miltary?

Please read this: https://wethepeoplespeaking.com/2020/06/04/should-federal-military-forces-be-engaged-in-a-national-civil-disturbance-crisis/


06/08/20 09:51 PM #999    

 

Gregg Wilson

Al,

SURPRISE! Most of the rioters, looters, thugs are white. Especially true for ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter. Yes, there are many black persons who are opposed to this "insurrection".

The real horror and threat is the number of politicians who join this collective victimhood and collective guilt nonsense.  Many of them want more power and many of them are moral cowards. Mitt Romney is a perfect example.

Collective Victimhood and Collective Guilt are racist thoughts.

It is interesting that you hear almost nothing from Republican politicians. Have they no thoughts at all?

Our young adults have been propagandized, have almost no real historical knowledge and been made thoughtless. Independent thinkers?  No, marching morons.

I don't love my neighbors; I respect them.

Mattis is a young moron; quite my junior in the Marine Corps. He was never in direct combat; which is why he loves war. He was an extreme opponent to removing our troops from the Middle East. Does he know that Trump is the CNC? Does he understand that federal troops can be constitutionally used to put down an insurrection?

 

 


06/09/20 11:52 AM #1000    

Tom Chavez

Gregg and Al, 

 

Black Lives Matter is not a “white global supremacist organization” as Al calls it. The cause of marches and demonstrations is not due to “facts are being distorted and spun to foment hate, racial activism riots, and extreme violence by political extremists.”

 

The current demonstrations are the result of a long history of oppression and discrimination. People who have been marginalized by double standards and injustice due to their ethnicity, religion or social position are demonstrating for the right to be treated equally by American institutions and agencies.

 

The problems have been going on a long time, from the time of slavery. The wealth gap began with slavery. White folks became rich by brutally exploiting black slave labor. That is an undistorted fact.

 

JIm Crow laws put in place after the Civil War kept black people impoverished and marginalized. Beginning in the 1920s systemic exclusion of black people from the U.S. housing market blocked them from one of the main engines of accumulating wealth in America.

 

Restrictive covenants limited where black people could live. These covenants, combined with discriminatory credit policies, kept black people from building wealth. At the same time, government policies were put in place to assist whites to build wealth through housing.

 

In Minneapolis, where the current protests began after the death of George Floyd, white Americans first benefitted from the Homestead Act. White soldiers coming home from World War II were given cheap loans to buy homes in the surrounding suburbs. These neighborhoods were off limits to black people.

 

And the only prosperous black community in the city was razed to the ground to build a highway to St. Paul. White people accumulated wealth holdings through discriminatory public policy entitlements unaccessible to ‘others.’

 

When black people were able to develop their own businesses and neighborhoods, they faced bias and discrimination. One of the deadliest and most covered up acts of racial violence in our country occurred in the summer of 1921. 

 

Blacks had built up families and businesses in the Greenwood section of Tulsa, Oklahoma. Thousands of white supremacists, including many who were deputized and given weapons by city officials, stormed their town, looted their businesses, torched their buildings, and murdered hundreds in cold blood.

 

Photo shows the aftermath of the white mobs that attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Bettmann Archive/Getty

 

According to the Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot, 11,000 black citizens lived in Tulsa at the time, most in the Greenwood section. About 300 were killed, and over 8,000 lost their homes. Guardsmen imprisoned hundreds of black citizens and held 6,000 people in a temporary detention.

 

Not a single white person who partook in this mass murder has ever been arrested, prosecuted or held legally responsible for the horror they inflicted.

 

So, in addition to slavery, white people have also committed genocide against black Americans. This would be horrible enough if it only happened once. But white supremacists got away with brutality, destruction, and murder again when they burned down the entire town of Rosewood Florida in 1923. 

 

Such incidents were kept out of U.S. history textbooks until the 1990s. White people have controlled our history books and conversations. As students we never heard about the Tulsa Massacre or similar incidents. We never heard about hundreds and thousands of extra-judicial lynchings and other injustices.

 

Such history was totally swept under the national rug and hidden from the general public for years until eye-witness accounts surfaced and were added to the public domain. White supremacy has skewed the narrative of our nation’s past to unjustly favor and prioritize one group of people over another.

 

This is what the demonstrations are about. It is not a conspiracy “by global political puppet masters to destroy the American Dream,” as Al calls it. 

 

People want to change the institutions to eliminate systemic prejudice and injustice. There are smart judicious ways to do that. With a little intelligence and good will, we can  improve society. It is an effort to actualize and make real the American Dream for everyone, and not just for one group or another.


06/09/20 09:52 PM #1001    

 

Gregg Wilson

Tom

Are you advocating Collective Victimhood and Collective Guilt?

The cause of marches and demonstrations is not due to “facts are being distorted and spun to foment hate, racial activism riots, and extreme violence by political extremists.”

Oh, yes they are.

The current demonstrations are the result of a long history of oppression and discrimination.

Baloney. Black people are not being oppressed in 2020 America, and haven't been for many years.

White folks became rich by brutally exploiting black slave labor. That is an undistorted fact.

True. And slavery ended in 1865

Injustices against blacks which occurred in the 1920s are not in existence today.

Current rioting, looting, arson, destruction of property and murder are somehow justified today?

No.

I will give you individual particulars. Two of my great grandfathers fought in the Civil War in the Union Army. Daniel Gholson was born in 1838 and Moses Marshall was born in 1844. Both of them wore their uniforms and took my oldest aunt down to Portland to watch the Doughboys come home from the Great War. My father served in the Merchant Marine during the war, and a lot of merchant mariners were killed. He did not officially qualify as a combatant and got absolutely nothing from the government after the war. He paid his own way through college, medical school and internship. He got very little pay for three years of residency.

Those are excellent examples of "white privilege".


06/10/20 02:38 AM #1002    

 

Al Peffley

Tom, 

There are two types of people, good people who seek truth for justice today and bad people who don't protest peacefully with respectful debate and try to destroy lives through violence and assault of innocent Americans of all races. You seem to be living in the past and racially profiling people of a specific skin color and culture - our culture. You are blaming all people who are white for actions they did not support or commit. That is not just racist, it's racial bigotry. Forgiveness seems to be absent from your discussion. You also don't  mention innocent and decent people who have been injured or killed that have had nothing in common or to do with George Floyd. You are saying things that sound like justification for violence chaos and assaults against Americans. Violent riots and vengeful attacks against people like 9/11 or thelse uncontrolled insurrection events only bring suffering and death. Don't fuel the fire on the Internet. Your talks of peaceful living ring hollow in relationship to the position you just defended for excuses of bad people to destroy property and life without law and order. America is not perfect and always has room for improvement if radicals don't destroy the people who created this nation and respect human life. There is no excuse for evil acts and deceitful conduct. I reject your reasons for condoning civil rioting and human assaults because of past injustices. Two wrongs never make a right. Rioters who attack need to remember the old saying: Live by the sword, die by the sword. Your religious stories say a lot about your tendency to focus on power and violence in society. I don't care about what happened in The Midwest decades ago, I care about the suffering of innocent people today. Is all this combat, looting, burning, and attacks against law enforcement going to improve America? No, it is destroying America.

You are either for peace in America, or part of the problem. Love it and help rekindle law and order or leave it. A lawless America will die and the replacement government will be oppressive and ruthless as history has proven over and over again...

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/you_want_us_to_join_your_pain_you_must_join_ours.html

 


06/10/20 01:17 PM #1003    

Tom Chavez

Gregg, you say black people are not being oppressed. That is not what they say. I think they know better than you how they are treated, and there is plenty of evidence for anyone who wants to open their eyes or listen to them. 

 

Before he became President, Trump took out a full page newspaper ad calling for the Central Park Five to be executed for a crime they did not commit. He claimed for years that President Obama was not born in the US. Maybe it’s just a coincidence that they were black. Maybe you think that is a fair way to treat others, but I do not. White supremacists will certainly vote for such behavior, though. 

 

Al, you say that I blame all people who are white. Where did I do that? At least Gregg asks me if I am advocating collective victimhood and guilt. No, I am not. That is up to each individual. There are plenty of white supremacists in our society today. They don’t feel guilt at all. It is not a question of guilt. It is a question of fairness and equality. Some people don't believe in equality. Some people don't care about others, they are indifferent. I think injustice anywhere is detrimental to society as a whole, just as infection in part of the body is a danger to the whole body.

 

Black people have gotten the short end of the stick for a long time, the injustice and prejudice continues, and the evidence is obvious. You may ignore it or be blind to it, everyone has their personal view. To repeat myself, I think we should treat people equally, regardless of ethnicity, nationality, creed, political persuasion, etc. A little inteligence and good will can go a long way toward rectifying systemic injustice.

 

Al, you say, “I reject your reasons for condoning civil rioting and human assaults because of past injustices.” Where did I condone? Please don’t put words in my mouth. Nor did I say anything about “white privilege.” 

 

“Peace cannot be achieved by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.” ~Albert Einstein


06/10/20 05:01 PM #1004    

 

Betty Weiks (Rickard)

Guys,

I'm going to pop on for just a moment to say that I think we all need to grow in this area. I'm currently reading a book called White Fragility, by Robin Diangelo, subtitled, Why It's So hard for White People to Talk About Racism. It has been eye opening, and uncomfortable to read because I'm seeing myself reflected in the mirror of its truth. Read it if you are at all interested in learning about societal change. Are you aware that black women were not granted the vote until 1964. Does that year ring a bell? The next book on my list is Be the Bridge. Our hearts need to change. Until we LISTEN they will not be heard. I encourage all of us to consider that we still have "sides." Their side, our side. Enough is enough!


06/10/20 05:40 PM #1005    

 

Ted Comstock (Briggs-Comstock)

 

Sadly, I've found out that Leslie Ehle died March 30th, in hospital with a previous heart condition. I will greatly miss her intelligence and sense of humour. She was a talented musician and artist. I'll post some pics if I can. One is from a group we formed in the 1980s, when hair was still dark!

 


06/10/20 09:49 PM #1006    

 

Gregg Wilson

Miss Betty Weiks,

You need to wake up and start thinking. Are you aware of what has happened in Seattle?

(I'm all grown up.)

 


06/10/20 10:17 PM #1007    

 

Diane Paulson

https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/jackson-state-killings/?fbclid=IwAR0GDTso5WdWsPCztO1AGUlCTJbGyqjeld66MqKpldTy0X1IK3JFkslL4e8

On May 15, 1970, the police opened fire shortly after midnight on students (and passersby) in a May 14 protest of the U.S. invasion of Cambodia during the Vietnam War at Jackson State College in Mississippi. Twelve students were wounded and two (21-year-old law student Phillip Lafayette Gibbs and 17-year-old high school student James Earl Green) were killed.

 

Memorial Day was started by former slaves on May, 1, 1865 in Charleston, SC to honor 257 dead Union Soldiers who had been buried in a mass grave in a Confederate prison camp. They dug up the bodies and worked for 2 weeks to give them a proper burial as gratitude for fighting for their freedom. They then held a parade of 10,000 people led by 2,800 Black children where they marched, sang and celebrated.
 
 
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06/11/20 12:38 PM #1008    

Tom Chavez

Slavery ended at the end of the Civil War, in 1865. A Washington DC Klu Klux Klan parade, in 1925, with over 30,000 ‘patriots’, shows that racial prejudice did not end.

 

 

By 1972 the same prejudice continues, with hidden faces.

 

 

Modern righteous Nazi confederates.

 

 

We can speak out in support of justice.

 

 

Or we may remain silent.

 


06/11/20 07:46 PM #1009    

 

Al Peffley

Ah yes, the Democrat's KKK, the militant predessers of Antifa and BLM. You should have posted pictures of Marx & Stalin so we could be in tune with the Fifth International Bernie crowd. I don't agree with any of these violent domestic terrorist groups, and I am a vet who served our country honorably. Gregg is right about the terrible things going on in Seattle by mostly young white adults with no respect for innocent peoples' property or lives. Focus on today and the terrible acts being committed by lawless evil people. You can't change the past - quit reliving it!

Sorry to hear about Leslie's passing, Ted.


06/11/20 09:03 PM #1010    

 

Sherry Sanders (Kimbrough)

  I really hoped that commenting last year about the BS on this list would have caused it to be moved elsewhere. I guess not. I appreciate very much what Betty and Diane had to say and with that I will sign off the list. I'm tired of looking for information about classmates. I trust you all will stay safe and that some of you will regain your humanity.


06/11/20 10:36 PM #1011    

 

Betty Weiks (Rickard)

Gregg,

I hesitate to respond to your remarks about me and thereby give them anymore weight, but I think your response illustrates my point. So thank you for that.

I've been married for 53 years now, so I am no longer "Miss Betty Weiks."

Betty Rickard


06/12/20 02:02 PM #1012    

 

Gregg Wilson

Trying to regain my humanity.


06/12/20 02:53 PM #1013    

 

Tim Jones (Jones)

I would like to appeal to the Class of 64' website administrator, that's you Gary, to delete the FORUM function of this site for a period, perhaps to the beginning of the new year.  Getting too political during these interesting and challenging times. The Highline 64 website exists primarily to stay in touch with classmates and share some details about our post high school lives and offer condlences to classmate's famlies we've lost.

Anyone else share my opinion? 


06/12/20 06:05 PM #1014    

 

Bruce Mennella

I agree Sherry and Tim.  Since the beginning of 2020 there have been 348 posts on this forum and 312 of those are from 5 guys.  You know who you are, so a suggestion for you,  please trade with eachother your personal email addresses so you can continue your dialogue with eachother, trying to out do the other, and leave this site for people who just want to stay in touch with other classmates.  Additionally, this is no place to chastise another person for their comment.  Let's get back to what this is for, please!!!!!!!


06/12/20 09:39 PM #1015    

 

Karen Buck (White)

I also agree with the other four that this site should be for keeping in touch with classmates and not a place to discuss major differences of opinions. I would like to have pleasant memories of my classmates. 


06/12/20 10:59 PM #1016    

 

Al Peffley

I will no longer post here. I agree it got out of hand, and I will accept my part in the recent long discussions.

I will not apologize for being a patriotic citizen and a devoted grandparent/father who is outraged by what is happening to the America I grew up in and served (as best I could.) There is so much racial hatred, violence, and suffering that I see, hear, and read about in the world today. We are all created equal according to many people of good will, but some seem to be "more equal" than others by wealth, lust, and faux political stature.

In the mean time, innocent people suffer under the yoke of real injustice by the global elite pulling the strings of fear, hate, and mob violence. I don't know which is worse for our nation and culture -- unrelenting lust for power and greed through lawless acts of civil warfare, or amoral apathy.

I wish you all the best and pray that God will bless you with a long life. I hope that you will be led to where ever your dreams will take you and that you find the light of truth and love. Peace be with you.

Goodbye,  sad

Al


06/13/20 01:06 PM #1017    

Tom Chavez

If This Were My Last Message

 

I hope this isn’t my last message, but you never know. If it were, here’s what I’d say.

 

First, I thank all of you for your patience and tolerance. You really put up with a lot!

 

Two things you never have to prove, Gregg. Your humanity and your sense of humor.

 

Al, I started all the trouble, not you. I hope that wasn’t your last message. I’ve learned a lot from you in many ways. Thanks.

 

Special thanks to friends who responded privately, who are considerate and intelligent enough to not bother others with irrelevant discussions in a public space.

 

I humbly and sincerely apologize to everyone for abusing my privilege of posting here. 

 

My final message to all, regards of gender, creed, political party, high school affiliation (kidding!), nationality or species: 

 

Psalm 113—“From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the Lord’s name is to be praised.”

 

Romans10:13—“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

In Sanskrit kirtan means to praise, chant or recite.

 

“Anyone who is tangled in the complicated cycle of birth and death 

can be freed immediately by even unconsciously chanting 

the holy name of Kṛṣṇa, which is feared by fear personified.” 

~ Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.1.14

 

One may chant the name of Kṛṣṇa, or Christ, or Jehovah or any bona fide name of God. 

The Lord is absolute—He and His name are one and the same. He is our protection.

 

hare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare

hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare


06/13/20 01:13 PM #1018    

 

Karen Buck (White)

Al, I feel that I am also very patriotic and have many concerns about where this beautiful country of ours is headed; I just don't believe that I can change another person's point of view. I believe that if I eplain my views once (or maybe twice) and the other person does not agree then that is that person's right. I do not believe that I have the right to determine how ALL should behave or think nor do I believe that this is the place to carry on with our individual STRONG beliefs.  I would certainly like to have you continue to keep in touch with our fellow classsmates; I don't believe that this is an "all" or "nothing" situation. So I for one would like to see you change your mind about not communicating with us again.  Take care, stay healthy and be safe.

Karen


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