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03/31/20 11:53 AM #827    


Al Peffley

No where in my posting did I mention "sulfur dioxide". Snopes is biased and they sometimes omit information because of political correctness. I have seen them spin all kinds of answers -- they don't know everything, and neither do we. I did not get my information on Twitter. If the factories were shut down, then how could they emit smoke (especially in non-industrial locations outside of the city)? Actually, the report was that in the Wuhan metro area the pollution level had gone down, because the factories were shut down, workers and their families were staying at home, and the coal-fired plants and major imdustries were producing less contaminants. You are reading words into my comments that are not there. The deaths to recovered ratio in China does not make sense compared to data ratios from the rest of the world that is being gathered from epicenter areas like northern Italy (or even Washington State, for that matter.)

03/31/20 03:46 PM #828    

Tom Chavez

How the Czech Republic flattened the curve!

The growth of coronavirus cases has “flattened” in the Czech Republic ever since the country’s government has made masks compulsory, claimed data scientist Jeremy Howard.


In the Czech Republic, the growth of new cases is low whereas in other parts of Europe the pandemic is largely out of control. This occurred after the government announced it was compulsory to wear something covering your mouth and nose when leaving your residences – such as a home-made mask or a scarf — on March 18.


Masks catch droplets from breathing, coughing and sneezing, and thus viruses are contained instead of being spread/sprayed into the air. People may not know they are infected, but if they wear a mask, they are unlikely to infect others.


Howard claimed that “one of the key reasons for the decrease in the growth of the cases is a massive country-wide community initiative to create and wear home-made masks.”


In just 10 days, the country went from no mask usage to nearly 100 percent usage, with nearly all the masks made at home with easily accessible materials, like old t-shirts.


Howard claimed that South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan are using masks to prevent the spread of the disease. “In South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan there is no lock-down. Yet COVID-19 is being controlled in these countries. How has this happened? One of the key reasons is that mask-wearing in public is ubiquitous and socially expected,” Howard said.


When I wear a mask, I protect you; when you wear a mask you protect me. Let's protect each other!


How to make your own mask with scissors, sewing supplies and tightly woven cotton fabric:


03/31/20 05:10 PM #829    

Tom Chavez

04/01/20 12:49 PM #830    


Al Peffley

A few tips when you are away from home and return home (some repeated from my past postings):  Wearing a face mask keeps you from touching your face around your mouth and nose (advice from a South Korean MD Health Services Official). Glasses keep your eyes protected (but goggles are better if your imune system has been compromised or you have prior respitory issues), and latex/vinyl/nitrile gloves keep the skin on your hands from collecting the pathogen on grocery store surfaces. Wipe the exposed surfaces of Personal Protection Equipment (PPE) items with 3% hydrogen peroxide solution when you get home if reusing items. Wash home-made masks often. My wife is washing the hand towel in our main bathroom daily. Wipe door handles with hydrogen peroxide on disposable paper towels. Wash your WET hands for 20 seconds with any soap and warm water (including around nails and under rings). Be safe out there for the next three weeks. We have still not seen a significant bend in the US of the confirmed cases curve, but the reported death count is still low compared to Italy and Spain that are both much smaller countries than the US population.


04/01/20 10:22 PM #831    


Gregg Wilson

We have the problem that the testing for coronavirus has been slow and very inadequate. It is unknown how many Americans had the virus and recovered. They could be, of course, tested for the antibody. But that has not been done.

So the hypothesized per capita death rate is probably overstated. If "herd" immunity is underway, then returning to work could be sooner than predicted. The current demand of "staying home", etc, may be an overreaction by the politicians.

I am not saying to rush forth and ignore the safety precautions. But the testing has to be greatly speeded up, so we have a better assessment.

04/02/20 08:44 AM #832    

Tom Chavez

Parable of the Four Wives


Once upon a time there was a king with four wives. The king caught corona virus, and was soon on his death bed. 


Afraid to go into the afterlife alone, he called his fourth wife, whom he loved the most and whom he had gifted with diamonds, gold and elegant clothing. He asked her, “ Will you die with me and go with me to the afterlife?”


The fourth wife replied, “I’m sorry, I can’t do that,” and walked away.


The king also loved his third wife of whom he was very proud. He would show her off to neighboring kingdoms. So he called her and asked, “Would you accompany me to the afterlife?”


The third wife replied, “I’m sorry, I cannot go with you. When you die, I’m going to remarry.”


The second wife had always been there for him in times of need, so he asked, “Would you accompany me to the afterlife?”


The second wife then replied, “I’m sorry that I can’t do that, but I will arrange your funeral and be there for your funeral.”


A voice called out saying, “I will leave with you and follow you wherever you go, even if it is to the afterlife.” 


The king looked, and it was his first wife, the one whom he cared for the least. Embarrassed, he said, “I’m sorry. I should have taken better care of you and given you more attention during my life.”


The moral of this story is that we all have four wives. Our fourth wife is our body. We like to decorate it with jewelry and clothing, but in the end it can’t follow us to the afterlife.


The third wife represents our possessions. We gather many possession and proudly show them off, but in the end, they cannot follow us to the afterlife, they will go to others, just like the third wife said that she would remarry.


The second wife, our friends and family, we trust them. They are always there for us in time of need, but the furthest they can go with us is to our funeral to send us off. 


The first wife represents our soul, our consciousness. We usually neglect taking care of our soul, but that is all we have in the afterlife.


Care for your body, keep it healthy. Enjoy your possessions and the comfort they provide. Cherish your friends and family for the love they give. 


But don’t forget to care for your soul, your very consciousness. Take time alone, to pray, to meditate, to realize your true self, the source of all your life and your most faithful friend.


04/02/20 03:20 PM #833    


Al Peffley

I like the parable. Tom. It sounds like good advice to me.

The tests should come soon. This sounds like the right test candidate if they can pull it off without the FDA dragging their feet:

I am sure there are other test options, but this one sounded promising, if the sample culture strips work.

Second Try Shopping at Costco

We went to COSTCO today for the "8 A.M., Thursday Morning Shopping Hour for Seniors". It was raining hard and the waiting line (with six foot distancing markers) was a block long! There was no cover from the rain mixed with a few snow blobs and it was cold this morning at NW Vancouver Costco, near Salmon Creek. Costco buildings don't have eaves except at the front door areas. We left that "senior zoo queue" situation and went to breakfast at a nearby Carls Jr. drive-thru.

By the time we returned to Costco at 10:00 AM there was no line to enter and the parking lot was maybe one tenth full instead of two thirds full. You have been warned.

I would say our Costco is about 85% back to normal stock quantities on the racks and floor displays. They have reasonable item purchase quantity limits posted. Employees are seen constantly cleaning all surfaces that get handled frequently. Our Costco has a large plexiglass screen installed now between the customer and their cashier at each checkout position. Their prepared fast food service counter for cutomers was closed. The employees were polite and friendly. Gas pump handles were cleaned by the attendents immediately after each fueling session was completed. They are limiting customer entrance to approximately 50 customers shopping in the warehouse at one time. I did not see any people wandering around looking at stuff, they just shopped quickly and got out of there ASAP. Maybe 60% of customers were wearing masks, and at least 80% of customers were wearing gloves. People were good at distancing. I did not see any Costco employees wearing masks and few wearing gloves (those employees cleaning surfaces with disinfectant spray bottles and cleaning towels).

04/02/20 04:43 PM #834    


Bill Engelhardt

Wait a minute....


04/03/20 09:39 AM #835    

Tom Chavez

I’d bask in the glow of your approval, Al, but I suspect that you just like the idea of having four wives. Ha!


Here is a tempting segue into marriage and sex, but how can I go there with the coronavirus on the prowl?


Why, Coronavirus, why?! You are making us die and cry!


This is another zoonotic disease, coming into human society from animals. Ebola, HIV, mad cow disease, swine flu, SARS, MERS, bird flu, all these diseases are linked to the exploitation of animals. Of course, atheists will say it is just a matter of chance, with no rhyme or reason, and no God in control…


“…but you and I have been through that, and this is not our fate.

Let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late.” —Jimi Hendrix


I refer to an ancient Vedic text, written in the oldest human language, Sanskrit:

“Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned

by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself,

which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things,

knowing well to whom they belong.”Sri Isopanisad Mantra One


Nothing happens by chance, there is divine intelligence behind everything, every motion even of a blade of grass. 


Our factory farms put the animals through lives of misery, and slaughter billions annually. They suffer, they are conscious, and they also have souls, for consciousness is the symptom of the soul. 

“The killer of the soul, whoever he may be, must enter into the planets known as the

worlds of the faithless, full of darkness and ignorance.”Sri Isopanisad Mantra Three


I wonder, does that have anything to do with the Coronavirus?

04/03/20 11:45 AM #836    


Al Peffley

Your "plants only" diet tried to kill me with a kidney and lower GI tract infection from a calcium and plant oxalates stone obstruction, Tom. White rice is OK, brown rice - not so much. I thank God for modern orthoscopic surgery and mini lasers technology!

You'll like this one, Gregg -

Bill - great photo...LOL! I saw a similar disconnect at WINCO the other day. The Safeway ads are getting smaller and smaller in our local newspaper. Charmin ads are still showing up on TV -- who is not buying TTP?!!!

Toilet paper is restocked at the Gelson's Market in Los Feliz neighborhood of Los Angeles on Thursday, March 26, 2020. As supermarkets remained one of the few retail businesses still open, a union representing more than 120,000 grocery store employees and 15,000 who work in drugstores started a petition drive for safer working conditions. (AP Photo/Damian Dovarganes)

04/03/20 01:25 PM #837    

Tom Chavez

Hydroxychloroquine and Dr. Fauci


Report from Katherine Seley-Radtke, Professor of Chemistry and Biochemistry and President-Elect of the International Society for Antiviral Research, University of Maryland, a medicinal chemist researching antiviral drugs for 30 years and coronaviruses for the past seven:


A study just published in a French medical journal provides new evidence that hydroxychloroquine does not appear to help the immune system clear the coronavirus from the body. 


Hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin gained attention after a study published on March 17 by Philippe Gautret in Marseille, France. Most of his patients only had mild symptoms, 85% didn’t even have a fever.


A second French group, led by Jean-Michel Molina, has tested hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin on 11 patients; 8 had underlying health conditions, and 10 had fevers when the dosing began. After six days, eight still tested positive for COVID-19, one died, two were transferred to the ICU and another had serious complications.


A similar study in China also showed no difference in viral clearance after seven days either with or without hydroxychloroquine for the patients in the trial. This supports Molina’s findings.


End of Professor Seley-Radtke’s report summary.


Note that Dr. Anthony Fauci has been attacked and vilified for not endorsing the use of Hydroxychloroquine without further research. A member of this forum referred to an article expressing extreme antipathy toward Dr. Fauci.


It may still turn out that some combination including hydroxychloroquine is effective. We should let the medical professionals work without attacking them for political ideological reasons. Let’s not let negative emotions get out of hand.


Anti-vaccine groups have also blasted Dr. Fauci for supporting immunizations, and accused him of promoting coronavirus vaccine research to enrich pharmaceutical companies.


Due to the proliferation of fanatical threats against Dr. Fauci’s life, the Justice Department recently authorized the U.S. Marshals Service to provide security for Dr. Fauci. That such a dedicated and expert public servant has been attacked so unjustifiably does not do justice to who we should be as a society.

04/03/20 01:26 PM #838    


Gregg Wilson

It is snowing here on April 3, 2020. I am praying for global warming.

04/03/20 01:45 PM #839    

Tom Chavez

Big Money Heading to China


Al and Gregg, you like to bash China, but some entrepreneurs see it differently.


Not much has happened in the past few weeks that hasn’t been overshadowed by the coronavirus. But here’s a $30 trillion example. China on April 1 officially opened its fund management market to foreign firms such as BlackRock and Vanguard. The $30 trillion number is how much in assets companies could be managing in this market by 2023. 


It’s also why industry luminaries such as BlackRock’s Larry Fink, who said as recently as February that he sees great opportunity in China, have made the country a key part of their global strategies. 


But it won’t be easy. China has plenty of local champions, ranging from giant state-owned commercial banks to Jack Ma’s Ant Financial, which owns the country’s largest asset manager. Then there are celebrity investors like Chen Guangming, whose funds are so popular that he can raise $17 billion in a day.

04/03/20 04:46 PM #840    

Tom Chavez

Help Protect Our Healthcare Workers & Caregivers


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04/04/20 07:02 PM #841    


Bill Engelhardt

04/04/20 07:59 PM #842    


Al Peffley

This is an interesting article written by an Olympia, Washington resident who is a book author, part-time journalist, farmer, and international missionary:

Some cultural traits can be an asset in trying times like these. We need to get out of this draconian lock-down mentality and still use appropriate PPE, temperature checks, testing, sanitize hands and surfaces, and social distancing to curb spreading the virus. Our Bill of Rights feedoms are being violated in some states, with little return on isolation investment for the loss of those individual freedoms due to panic and misinformation.

04/04/20 10:09 PM #843    


Tim Jones (Jones)

I'd say we're on the ragged edge of martial law, especially if the worst is yet to come. Closing the beaches down here in Pacific County, closing the boat yard at Swantown Marina in Olympia, parks and recreation areas closed and numerous other businesses closed. 

I suppose the reasoning is we were so grossly unprepared. I'm guessng a lot of those 'Preppers' out there are feeling pretty smug right now. 

I took my boat out for three days.  Was great to get out of the house.  The sun came out occasionally, but it was pretty cool out there.  46 degrees and a 8 to 10 mph wind.  Had pancakes for breakfast and baked a loaf of bread on Friday morning. 

We've got a long way to go so hunker down and stay informed. 

04/05/20 11:05 AM #844    

Tom Chavez

A Philosophical Response

Tim, you are fortunate to get away out on the water. I go almost daily to the bayou for a jog. There are a lot more people out there these days. I don't want to lose my freedom to go out for exercise and fresh air, but that day is inexorably approaching.

Why the negativity? I'm being realistic. I got a message this morning from a friend in China who just lost their son due to a brain tumor. He was a good kid, just ready to graduate from high school.

My friend was asking, why? I recommended the philosophy of the Gita.

Arjun was suffering on the battlefield, facing an opposing army which included respected teachers, cousins, friends and relatives. Krishna explained how to act in a way to become free from suffering.

Material laws are the cause of all physical actions and reactions, whereas the living entity is the cause of the various sufferings and enjoyments in this world. We should not blame others for our suffering. What comes to us is due to our own past actions, in this life and in previous lives.

The intricacies of action and reaction are very hard to understand. Therefore one should know properly what action (karma), forbidden action (vikarma) and inaction (akarma) are.

As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjun, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental knowledge.  

Transcendental knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.
The doubts which have arisen in your heart out of ignorance should be slashed by the weapon of knowledge. Armed with yoga, O Arjun, stand and fight.

04/05/20 02:29 PM #845    

Tom Chavez

Face Masks and Taiwan


From the start, the World Health Organisation (WHO) said there was no need for people who are well to wear masks. That position was adopted by the United States, Britain, much of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa and Singapore. 


On Friday, both the US and Singapore switched to advising citizens to wear masks. The WHO also made the U-turn, due to growing evidence that people infected with the coronavirus may not show symptoms but can still infect others.


Taiwan’s ability to control the Covid-19 outbreak highlights the strengths of its medical system. Taiwan has offered to donate urgently needed face masks and medical aids to other countries.


Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen promised, “We will donate 10 million face masks, or around one day’s production, to support medical workers in countries where the Covid-19 outbreak is particularly severe. Later on, we will provide even more support to the international community based on our domestic production capacity.”


Tsai also offered to share the island’s electronic quarantine system that uses big data analytics.


Due to its geographical closeness to mainland China and the frequent exchanges of people, Taiwan had been expected to be one of the places worst hit by the Covid-19 outbreak.


But Taiwan’s fast response in tackling the virus, transparency in informing the public, efficiency in tracking confirmed infections and advice for the public to use face masks have been credited by health experts in keeping the disease under control.


As of Saturday, the island had recorded 355 cases of infection and five deaths.


Stephen Tan, president of the Cross-Strait Policy Association, a private think tank, said Taiwan was hoping to enlarge its participation in global affairs and show that it could do better than mainland China.


Beijing has also tried to to promote itself internationally by offering face masks and other medical supplies, but some equipment was defective and had to be recalled.


< Report from South China Morning Post (Hong Kong) >

04/05/20 03:48 PM #846    


Bill Engelhardt

The fashionable ensemble 

04/06/20 01:47 PM #847    


Al Peffley

Bill, I am fantasizing that she is wearing her daytime jammies under that fashionable Needless Mark-up (Texas nickname for Macus Neiman store) trench coat. LOL!

I'm so happy not to be living near or working in Seattle any more...for many reasons other than just pandemic abatement issues.

Here's another interesting article I read today:

State and Federal Government leadership is not working together in many states. This is a two month to longer problem that must be addressed without politics, hoarding, post-incident prepping that should have been done prior to this outbreak, and name-calling. This too shall pass.


04/06/20 03:40 PM #848    

Tom Chavez

I hope everyone’s doing alright. I haven’t let Kalindi go shopping for three weeks. She used to go practically everyday—“We are out of this or that.” She’s been good about it. 


I’ve been going once a week to Sprouts—great selection of fruits, veggies, grains and nuts—wearing an N95 mask. My iPhone doesn’t recognize me when I wear a mask. 


Kalindi read that the next two weeks will be peak infection; now she doesn’t want me to go. So she ordered online from Amazon/Whole Foods today. They delivered within two hours on the front porch—milk, veggies, and fruit. 


We cleaned the packaging with Lysol, and processed everything to eliminate viruses. It’s like living on a new planet. 


Take care everybody!

04/06/20 03:55 PM #849    

Tom Chavez

Al, Korea Biomed Review gives very clear instructions for application of antiviral and anti-malarial therapy. They advised against mixing antiviral drugs with anti-malarial drugs.

04/06/20 09:07 PM #850    


Gregg Wilson

I might become a widower. Bonnie was on the net and told me that some virus patients were suffering some brain damage.

I said "Oh, I can easily lose some brain power, with room to spare!"

She almost died laughing.

04/07/20 04:04 AM #851    


Al Peffley

We need an adequate test system for the masses now to only quarantine those infected with the virus and let the rest of society return to work and perform needed food and hygene services. A mass produced vaccine is still many months away. Gregg made this rapid testing point early on in these discussions.

The western states' and provinces' regional pandemic exercise that I participated in 2009 (during the MERS epidemic) assumed, from Canada's SARS experience, that it would take a pandemic at least two full months to run its course (unless it mutates and spikes again, like the Spanish Flu did in 1919-20.) Defining and testing a prophylactic medication antidote is still certainly a work in progress. We must stop the virus attachment to cells process before the virus kills remaining uncompromised lung cells in the human host. Bacteria eating the dead cells used for virus replication will finish the job, so a medicine prescription set will be desired for patients with severe bacterial pneumonia infections as well. The antibacterial medicine cannot kill off the good bacteria in the the digestive tract or the patient dies also of Sepsis (septic shock - like my brother had with severe pneumonia complications and died last November.) Mixing medicines can be deadly.

Here is a graphic of the COVID-19's viral throat and lung cell infection and viron replication process that we need to stop for effective infection abatement and recovery:

The lung cell dies because the virus robs it of vital RNA components in a healthy lung cell nucleus to replicate. We have to stop the attachment for entry and that "transcription splicing" sequence for this virus strain to be defeated. This one replicates fast!

But first, we need to identify by reliable and simple testing methods who is carrying the virus and who is not. Then we can use medicine to stop the "viron" from using its hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N) protein structures (those little leg-like projections on the outside of the COVID-19 viron) to attach to the human cell's outer membrane covering (without damaging the host cell's integrity and function.) Those virons are only 80-120 nm in size and they usually infect throat tissue on their way to the lungs of the host. Throat swab collections, like we do for identifying streptococcus bacterial infections, might be more reliable for tests than nasal swab techniques. A sore throat is the first symptom of a COVID-19 infection.

I am not a doctor or credentialed scientist, just an systems analyst with some knowledge of biological pathogen agents that were encapsulated and produced as hybrid bioweapons in Asian labs (mostly in Russia during the 1980's and early 1990's.) Many of the agents produced originally came in "the wild" from Africa and Asia regions' soil and animal life (including insect carriers.) In some cases these viral pathogens have been combined to make an extemely lethal hybrid agent with inserts that enable it to replicate and mutate at a highly accelerated rate. To defend against these known human-engineered bio-threats, national labs and university medical centers have tested them to find antiviral antidotes. These studies are very dangerous, complicated, and expensive laboratory research programs with high security and strict pathogen isolation requirements. Mistakes are often tragic and lethal to those exposed to contaminated materials that get accidentally released outside and inside the restricted access lab environment. TMI?

Why are there no reports of high-level Chinese Government officials in Beijing or Shanghai that have tested positive for the virus infection since they are reasonably located close to Wuhan? Just curious...

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